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红楼梦

在论坛里面一不小心说了两句红楼梦，然后看见道可道继续推销他的一百二十回说，很不以为然，不过也懒得再说了。喜欢看红楼梦的人，如果看了十遍，不知道有几遍是看完120回，有几遍是看了80回就打住了。反正我是很少有耐心能把后面40回看完。水平相差如此之大的两部分，一定要说是一个人写的，唉。。。

道可道的论据也根本站不住脚。拿着万年历算算，前后时间对上了就说明是一个人写的了？一个文科生能不能算对先不说了，就算都算对了，几个人的年纪生日，既然道可道在三百年后可以拿着万年历算出来，为什么高鄂不能在二十年后掰着手指头算出来？年表这种东西，失之毫厘，差之千里，看见对自己有利的证据就高兴，不利的估计看都看不见。整本书没写几个年份，一定要生生的算出来，可以想象可靠性会有多大。

楼下堂美丽先生/小姐，谢谢你的关心。你说的那两个问题，首先书面上没有的事情太多了，如果书面上有也就不需要讨论了。你看秦可卿这么早就死了还是十二釵之一，如果只是被贾珍干了干就排名这么靠前，那尤二姐三姐怎么都给弄到国奥队去了？关于王熙凤，以前倒从来没有想过，翻了翻看看也不象。你回去仔细看看那段，那天晚上宝玉是和秦钟睡的。:-)

评道可道老师的红楼梦年表

道可道老师，今天大概看了看你的红楼梦年表，有了点想法。本来看
你写的辛苦没想说出来，但看你在楼下一定说我是捕风捉影毫无根据，
本来是无所谓说着玩，但是听了不得不有点气愤。

首先说宝玉和秦可卿有一腿，不是“捕风捉影毫无根据”。我又不是
红学家，大部分相关的知识都是从红学家书上看的。这个观点很多书
上都有，请查阅张爱玲《红楼梦魇》。

再说你的年表。你倒是没有“捕风捉影毫无根据”，几十K字节的东西，
除了关于年代的计算和原文的引用，所有评论性的文字，我倒都是从
其它的书上见到。估计你手头的红楼梦是人民文学出版社的那本吧，那
关于多姑娘灯姑娘多浑虫的两段，简直就是从书上校记抄下来的。

再看看你的观点。你把八十回前和八十回后一起看着写年表，又说程甲
本中程伟元高鄂说的不是假话，估计你是认为120回都是曹学芹写的了。
(你整篇文字连这样的大观点都没有表明，弄的我只好猜，这也是治学不
精）既然你认为他们说的为真，为什么又用人民文学出版社的版本？你
的十七十八回没有分开，而程甲乙本的这两回都是各拟题目的。要知道
编人民文学版红楼的那些老学究们都是支持胡适的观点，也就是后四十
回是高鄂续的。你拿着人民文学的版本，却用整个百二十回确定年表，
让人怀疑这是学术研究还是写东西蒙不知道的人赚稿费。

再说你的年表的可靠性。现在在市面上流行的铅印的各种红楼梦，都不
是单由哪一个版本组成的，都是以某一个版本为基础，在残缺或者自相
矛盾的地方参考其它的各种版本。而红楼梦的各种抄本，有些因为传抄
的次数过多而抄错抄漏；还有一些因为母本是在曹学芹十年增删修改的
不同时期流传出来的，因为曹雪芹在不断的修改，所以这些母本的很多
地方就自相矛盾。这些不同的版本综合在一起，成了你现在看到的书，
那些关于时间的记录，比如季节，节气，还有特别是各人的年龄，都已
经由红学家们在各个版本的妥协下尽量一致，但是也已经和原先的版本
面目全非。你从这么一本书里面想看出来后面隐藏的年代，正确与否我
不敢说，最少它不是曹学芹原来的意思。

你说红楼梦借可卿之死叙述崇祯殉国，还有你关于贾母的叙述，好象你
又是支持索隐派的。人民文学版的红楼梦是全盘否定索隐派的，你还是
拿来用。这先不说，客栈废人转贴的一篇文章，明明也是索隐派的观点，
你又说人家“这样的穿凿附会离奇可笑”。是不是你不知道，没见过的
观点，就是“捕风捉影毫无根据的推断”呢？

最后给道可道红学老师几点忠告：

研究红学请本着严瑾的精神，特别是象年表这样的东西，不要只抱着一
本书再加上几篇评论就写开来。尽量多看看各种不同的抄本印本，最少
也要搞清楚不同本之间的关系，关键字各个版本的异同。否则只拿着一
个版本，本身就不自觉的会受到编者观点的影响。

关于红学的书还是要多看。看的不多也没关系，但是请不要在一篇文章
里不管三七二十一的就引用。要知道，很多红学著作本身就是互相论战
的结果。

对于红学的研究，本来就没有什么定论。不管什么样的观点，比如说你
这样的年表，不管怎样，都是一种研究，虽然根本没有办法证明对错，
除非曹雪芹墓里的自传明天给找出来了，但是总有可取之处。有道理的，
请默默的接受，没有道理的，请反驳。

对于自己没在书上看过的观点，既不要盲目信任，也不要随便说人家
“捕风捉影毫无根据”。你如果一定要说别人也没关系，请不要说我。

又及，在这回一下cowbman，扒灰是在灰上爬，所以膝盖脏了，所以是
污膝（媳）。

再及，本文关于红学的论点来自于胡适，周汝昌，蔡元培及其它红学
家的著作，年代久远书名已经不记得了，但是都是有根有据，无一穿
凿附会。

道可道的反驳

谢谢你的回应，请不要气愤
提交者 : 道可道非常 于 北京时间 2003-10-27 17:07:36
答 复 : 评道可道老师的红楼梦年表 提交者 : Red Sox 于 北京时间 2003-10-27 16:22:28

道可道老师，今天大概看了看你的红楼梦年表，有了点想法。本来看
你写的辛苦没想说出来，但看你在楼下一定说我是捕风捉影毫无根据，
本来是无所谓说着玩，但是听了不得不有点气愤。

首先说宝玉和秦可卿有一腿，不是“捕风捉影毫无根据”。我又不是
红学家，大部分相关的知识都是从红学家书上看的。这个观点很多书
上都有，请查阅张爱玲《红楼梦魇》。

————————————————————————
得出一个结论应该从文本实际出发，就是说，应该根据
文本提供的线索、证据来推论。要说贾宝玉和秦可卿有
一腿，我只能说，这是一个有趣的猜测，要找证据，还
不如找焦大说“养小叔子的养小叔子”。但这是焦大的
醉话，当不得真。小说写道秦可卿生性风流，宝玉又长
得好，年龄也10岁了，难免有多嘴烂舌的仆人胡说八道。
出了这个单一的证据，实在找不出其他的了。是的，我
只能说宝玉可卿有一腿十分有趣，但证据并不充分。

——————————————————————

再说你的年表。你倒是没有“捕风捉影毫无根据”，几十K字节的东西，
除了关于年代的计算和原文的引用，所有评论性的文字，我倒都是从
其它的书上见到。
估计你手头的红楼梦是人民文学出版社的那本吧，那
关于多姑娘灯姑娘多浑虫的两段，简直就是从书上校记抄下来的。
————————————————————
你说的不错，我用的主要是1982年人民社的版本，
这个版本集中校勘了多个版本，每回的校记也有注明
那些地方如何如何校改，所以用这个本子很方便。
另外，我也用庚辰本和其他本子的影印本，在出现
重大疑问时，可以拿来对照一下。
版本问题我很重视，这个你放心。

——————————————————————

再看看你的观点。你把八十回前和八十回后一起看着写年表，又说程甲
本中程伟元高鄂说的不是假话，估计你是认为120回都是曹学芹写的了。

——————————————
如果你认真看了我对元妃生年卒月以及宝玉生日的考证，
自然知道：说后四十回是跟曹家八秆子打不着的人写的，
鬼才相信。我对这个论证很有信心，论证的主体已经放
网上了，但是有些关键的文字我还需要整理。比如，我
用的计算方法和计算数据，为什么要用这个。给我时间，
我是业余时间熬夜整这些东西的，不容易，但这只是时
间问题。
同时，我并认为120回是曹雪芹写的，究竟是谁写的？
如果楞要我预先给答案，我要担风险，不过问题也不大：
120回不是曹雪芹的写的，曹雪芹只是一个高级编辑。
120回是宝玉的原型人物写的。宝玉的原型是谁？肯定不
是曹雪芹，是曹頫吗？很有可能，但我现在不确定，因为
我还没有研究到曹学那一步。

——————————————————————
(你整篇文字连这样的大观点都没有表明，弄的我只好猜，这也是治学不
精）既然你认为他们说的为真，为什么又用人民文学出版社的版本？你
的十七十八回没有分开，而程甲乙本的这两回都是各拟题目的。要知道
编人民文学版红楼的那些老学究们都是支持胡适的观点，也就是后四十
回是高鄂续的。你拿着人民文学的版本，却用整个百二十回确定年表，
让人怀疑这是学术研究还是写东西蒙不知道的人赚稿费。

——————————————————————
所谓高鄂的续作说，人民社版的前言里已经提出疑问，
不敢肯定，可以去看一下。就我的阅读范围来看，高鄂
续作说纯粹是胡说八道，这样的观点已经有人写过，在
网上也有文章转贴。可以查一下。
版本问题前面已经说过，不再重复。
学术研究也好，赚稿费也罢，不重要，重要的是我的论证
能不能站住脚，这是我最关心的问题。

再说你的年表的可靠性。现在在市面上流行的铅印的各种红楼梦，都不
是单由哪一个版本组成的，都是以某一个版本为基础，在残缺或者自相
矛盾的地方参考其它的各种版本。而红楼梦的各种抄本，有些因为传抄
的次数过多而抄错抄漏；还有一些因为母本是在曹学芹十年增删修改的
不同时期流传出来的，因为曹雪芹在不断的修改，所以这些母本的很多
地方就自相矛盾。这些不同的版本综合在一起，成了你现在看到的书，
那些关于时间的记录，比如季节，节气，还有特别是各人的年龄，都已
经由红学家们在各个版本的妥协下尽量一致，但是也已经和原先的版本
面目全非。你从这么一本书里面想看出来后面隐藏的年代，正确与否我
不敢说，最少它不是曹学芹原来的意思。

————————————————————————

我说了，版本问题我很小心。我能从一本书里看出隐藏的
年代，是不是作者的原意，要看我的论证推理是否站得住
脚。我的方法是，一靠文本本身提供的时序，按照生活逻
辑来推断；一靠作者所用的《时宪通书万年历》，清代从
顺治六年开始用这个时宪历，作者肯定也是，用这个来比
照作者所写的时序节气，看他是不是乱写。如你所知，如
我所论：不是。三靠史料的记载，如《清史稿》，看看作
者记载的天灾是不是和史实对应。如你所知，是的。
你说这不符合作者的原意，我认为我的推论比你更有道理。

————————————————————————
你说红楼梦借可卿之死叙述崇祯殉国，还有你关于贾母的叙述，好象你
又是支持索隐派的。
人民文学版的红楼梦是全盘否定索隐派的，你还是
拿来用。这先不说，客栈废人转贴的一篇文章，明明也是索隐派的观点，
你又说人家“这样的穿凿附会离奇可笑”。是不是你不知道，没见过的
观点，就是“捕风捉影毫无根据的推断”呢？
——————————————————————
我没有说借可卿之死叙述崇祯殉国，也坚决反对索引派。
我认为脱离文本的索引傅会十分可笑。再看一看年表原文。

——————————————————

最后给道可道红学老师几点忠告：

研究红学请本着严瑾的精神，特别是象年表这样的东西，不要只抱着一
本书再加上几篇评论就写开来。尽量多看看各种不同的抄本印本，最少
也要搞清楚不同本之间的关系，关键字各个版本的异同。否则只拿着一
个版本，本身就不自觉的会受到编者观点的影响。

————————————————————————
很正确，我会牢记在心。请相信，我也是这么做的。
如果您发现我的论证哪一点不严谨，热烈欢迎直接指出，
痛骂也行，无任欢迎。

关于红学的书还是要多看。看的不多也没关系，但是请不要在一篇文章
里不管三七二十一的就引用。要知道，很多红学著作本身就是互相论战
的结果。
————————————————————————
说的很对。评论如上。

对于红学的研究，本来就没有什么定论。不管什么样的观点，比如说你
这样的年表，不管怎样，都是一种研究，虽然根本没有办法证明对错，
除非曹雪芹墓里的自传明天给找出来了，但是总有可取之处。有道理的，
请默默的接受，没有道理的，请反驳。

————————————————————
虽然没有定论，但有比较合理的推论。谁合理我就
拥护谁。

对于自己没在书上看过的观点，既不要盲目信任，也不要随便说人家
“捕风捉影毫无根据”。你如果一定要说别人也没关系，请不要说我。

————————————————————
我不盲信，也不乱批，即使批，也是就事论事，
如果你不高兴，那我就不说吧。

又及，在这回一下cowbman，扒灰是在灰上爬，所以膝盖脏了，所以是
污膝（媳）。

再及，本文关于红学的论点来自于胡适，周汝昌，蔡元培及其它红学
家的著作，年代久远书名已经不记得了，但是都是有根有据，无一穿
凿附会。
——————————————————————
胡适的考证工夫很一般，他掌握的工具也不够，他的文学
鉴赏能力比较低下。周就不说了，他比胡说还胡说。蔡的
东西也很可笑。引用他们的观点，当作金科玉律，那就是
盲信了。虽然引用很到位，终究是盲信盲从。后人批驳他
们观点的文章还少么。

谢谢你认真写这么多。
上班去也。

刚才倔倔也就是张耀宗打电话过来

马林鱼又赢了，拿了世界大赛的冠军。虽然没怎么看，但是能干掉Yankees还是比较欣慰的。

看Mets说起我们当初看球，那时候除了比赛规则，我对MLB一无所知，只知道有一个Pedro，和一个80年的curse。去看球，只是为了凑个热闹，只是为了看一看Fenway Park。

看了阳关三叠的留言，想想自己对棒球这项运动的认识历程，深深的感觉到，在波士顿这样一座特殊的城市里，不管最初来的人们对棒球有着什么样的认识和偏见，只要他是一个热爱体育的人，甚至，只要他是一个热爱生活的人，他就早晚会有一天，会被这个城市无处不在的棒球氛围所感染，被波士顿人的红袜情结所牵动，而投身到这个运动中来。

因为棒球，或者说，Red Sox，在波士顿这座城市，有着足球，篮球，Celtics，Patriot,都无法比拟的魅力。

我们明年一定会在Fenway Park看球。

Go, Red Sox.

没有及时的更新

因为昨天晚上的功夫都花在改程序上了。

现在在blog主页可以显示最新评论的连接，在管理界面可以由用户自己管理那些links了。

作为一个程序员，真的很有成就感啊。

还要做的两件事情，一个是让用户可以自己更换自己的模板，选择自己喜欢的界面。另一个要把作者的文章按类别分类。

等到哪天再吃多了包子再弄吧。

之前贴了好多英文的文章

已经被严重的批评了。但是看了阳关三叠的文章还是忍不住想贴上来。谢谢你还会来看喔。我还以为这里都没有人看了。: )

阳关三叠原来一定是在这边念书或者生活过的，我猜。说不定常去醉琼楼，常去小桃园。来了要告诉我们喔！: )

对SOX有一种家人般的感情。。。好象很多红袜的球迷都是这样。就象我们和倔倔，和阳关三叠，是来自同一个大家庭的。这大概就是红袜球迷们的不同之处吧，与YANKEES的FANS截然不同。

记得之前看过一个NECH的小片断。第六场结束的那天晚上，球迷们从杨基体育场出来，记者挨个采访他们。YANKEES球迷有的说明天YANKEES一定行，有的说红袜明天就不行了。YANKEES的球迷很好认，灰色或蓝色的衣服，对YANKEES的成功洋洋得意，爱现得很。就象统一狮的FANS那样。

这时候走过来一个笑哈哈的家伙,穿着灰色的衣服，嘟囔了几句没问题没问题，一边哈哈的笑着要走。记者就追问他是哪个队的 fan，他把他的红帽子拉下来一点点，一边走一边回着头，大声地笑着，哈哈哈，停顿了一下又说，RED SOX is whole my life...

Epstein deals Yankees a blow

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By Adrian Wojnarowski
Special to ESPN.com

The Epsteins moved back to Boston for the start of the 1978 academic year at Boston University, where the family's father, Leslie, still directs the school's creative writing program. This was the summer his 5-year-old twins, Theo and Paul, were too young to understand the colossal collapse of the Red Sox, the angst of Bucky Bleeping Dent, the pall over Fenway Park. They were still too young to have hate in their hearts over the New York Yankees.

Theo Epstein may be the youngest GM in baseball history, but no one needs to tell him what the rivalry between the Red Sox and Yankees means.
Leslie Epstein lived and died with the Sox that summer, leaving Manhattan's Upper West Side to do his mourning in the leafy Boston suburb of Brookline. The longer his family lived in New York, the longer Leslie worked at Queens College, the better the chance his boys would've escaped life as tortured Sox souls.

"I've always been a Red Sox fan," Leslie said. "I hated the Yankees so much. To me, rooting for them would be like voting Republican."

Over the winter, Leslie told Theo, "Be daring," when ownership offered his 28-year-old son the chance to be the youngest general manager in baseball history, a seat of power unparalleled in Old Towne prestige and pressure. Theo Epstein could be remembered as a New England icon, or end up as just one more carcass littered on the 85-year, championship-less trail.

"Take it and be daring," Leslie told Theo.

Now, Theo is taking it to the Yankees with his moves, the way his long-suffering Yaz-father took it to Steinbrenner over the phone.

"Is it true Steinbrenner summoned all of them down to Tampa?" Leslie wondered after hearing about the Boss' meeting of the minions in Florida this week. "He must be asking them, 'How come this little jerk is making you guys look like fools?' They wanted both Scotts (Williamson and Sauerbeck), and we got them. We're supposed to have the depleted farm system, right? What's going on here?

"I don't like to gloat over (Brian) Cashman getting reamed by his boss, because I know he's a good guy, but if Darth Vader The Convicted Felon should be discomforted, well, it pleases me to no end. ... The fact that my son is part of doing that to him is even better."

Pity poor Theo, who must have spit out his coffee Thursday morning when those words flashed before his eyes. Couldn't you just hear him? Come on, Dad, nobody named Epstein needs to get Steinbrenner so much angrier that he sends that Yankees payroll hurtling upward of $200 million. Sorry, but Leslie is entitled. Before he was a father, he was a Red Sox fan. The hate runs long and deep, like a family heirloom handed down in New England.

"The Yankees are not good for baseball," Leslie declared. "One hundred eighty million (payroll) is not good for the sport."

This is still the best pure, unadulterated hatred in professional sports. And it is beautiful. This rivalry is personal for Sox fans, an intensity that has magnified in the Epstein household just a mile from Fenway Park in Brookline, Mass. As much as everyone else in Boston ridiculed Steinbrenner for crying after a Yankees victory over the Red Sox in June, the GM's father could commiserate with the emotional investment. "I rather appreciated that about him," Leslie said. "He cared; he showed that in an emotional way."

Steinbrenner is right, The Red Sox "haven't won anything yet," but Theo Epstein has won the respect of Boston and beyond. The Yankees and Sox fought it out to the 4 p.m. trade deadline on Thursday, with the Yankees scoring Aaron Boone and Epstein bringing back starter Jeff Suppan and Brandon Lyon from Pittsburgh. No, Epstein hasn't been perfect on the job, "The jury is still out on Jeremy Giambi and Chad Fox," his own father says, but the good has far outdistanced the bad. What's more, he had the courage to change course on his early-season mistakes in the bullpen and completely crushed the Yankees on the way to Sauerbeck and Williamson, leaving the Yankees with Jesse Orosco and Armando Benitez for those setup jobs.

Orosco? Seventeen years ago, Theo was standing on his parents' living room couch waiting for the final out on the Mets in Game 6, the final out on a Sox championship so he could leap into the air. It never happened. "They just climbed down," Leslie said.

After Game 7, it was Orosco leaping into the air, throwing his glove into the New York sky and breaking New England's heart one more time. From Bill Mueller to David Ortiz, Todd Walker to Kevin Millar, Theo's sharp eye has surrounded the Sox sluggers with, as he calls them, "on-base machines," to make for the majors' most menacing offense. The son of a creative writing teacher has taught his share of lessons on creativity this season.

These days, the Yankees are making far more mistakes. Raul Mondesi and Bubba Trammell had to be thrown out of the Bronx for simply going AWOL on game nights. Jose Contreras has a chance to be a $32 million bust, a Red Sox bust had Epstein had his way and signed him over the winter.

With the Red Sox back just 2½ games now and leading for the AL Wild Card, the message is unmistakable in Boston now: They're going for it. They're going for everything. What's more, Epstein hasn't had to sell out the Red Sox tomorrow for today, protecting most of his top prospects in trades for arms. His confidence is growing with every move, every bold stroke. As it turned out, Epstein isn't before his time at 29 now. His body of work insists he's right on cue.

"This is the job he would have liked as a culmination of his career at 56 years old, but to be (hired as) GM of the Red Sox at 28?" Leslie said. "Be careful what you wish for. What if he wins the World Series this year? What does he do next? Become a Jewish pope?

"What would he do for an encore?"

For now, Theo Epstein is the GM sticking and jabbing at Steinbrenner, sending Darth Vader and the Evil Empire into pure panic at the trading deadline. The Boss is right: The Sox haven't won anything yet. So far, it's just the boy wonder GM out of Brookline, off the top of his parents' couch. Theo Epstein is still waiting to leap in the air to celebrate that World Series championship. All his family and friends, all his fellow Bostonians and New Englanders, stand there with him. Just waiting. Still.

那个家伙惨了

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美國體壇最近暴力事件頻傳，一所大學美式足球球隊隊員，竟然在輸球之後毆打對方的球迷出氣。而在芝加哥，一名「小熊隊」球迷因為碰觸到球，成為間接害小熊隊輸球的罪人，結果在由警察護送離場時，遭到憤怒的球迷丟食物和啤酒杯。

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　在巴特曼公開向小熊球迷致歉後，芝城的小熊擁護者仍是群情激憤，小熊高層特別在16日發布書面聲明，呼籲球迷們對此事保持冷靜，並昭告大家，球賽是在球場上定勝負，不是在看台上，希望大家原諒巴特曼的無心之失。

好几天没有更新了

主要是没有情绪。

昨天很想去倔倔家，找倔倔和乐乐说说话，也不知道是为什么，好象有什么事情一直没有和他们聊聊，后来说到了RED SOX，才想起来，原来，我们在赛后还没有抱头痛哭过。一时间，四人执手相看泪眼，竟无语凝噎。

我使劲的喝水，怕眼泪真的掉下来。倔倔乐乐和胖胖，大家心碎的感觉，居然是一模一样的。倔倔说他们看到第九局就不敢看了，但是睡觉也睡不着，后来睡着了也总是做有关棒球的梦。倔倔说，如果说人的一生中会有几场比赛，是这一生最重要的比赛的话，这一场就是。如果这场比赛顺利的赢了，也不会象这场似的，让人记得很久，很深。

阳关三叠说他从89年的黑色三分钟之后，第一次体会心碎的感觉。是啊，自从第八局被追平的那一霎那开始，每一个投出的球，都象是点球一样，那种刺激绝对是超常的，小刀子隔肉一样的锋利。能忍到最后的人，是很不容易的。胖胖到第九局结束就受不了去洗澡了，我是第11局下半就没有看了，刚在电脑前面坐下，电话就响了，原来是mets打来的。他说NANA呀，CURSE就是CURSE呀，没有办法。我说：你说什么呢。他说你真的不知道吗？我说，哼哼，我根本没看。说完就把电话挂断了，这些天再没和他说话。他居然会因为第三场就无耻的堕落到当了YANKEES的FAN，不就是YANKEES钱多冠军戒指多吗，还顶着个METS的名字，哼，以后来了干面条也没有得吃了。

我们还和倔倔说，明年要去FANWAY PARK看比赛。如果阳关三叠回来，一定和他一起去。胖胖说，那天听广播说是一个年青人，34岁，说他爸爸是1918年那年生的，今年他爸爸说，this is the year。但是，还是没有等来。他父亲已经85岁了。还能等几年呢？

后来倔倔说不会吧，他34岁他爸爸85岁？我说那有什么稀奇的。我在齐白石诞辰120周年的庆祝活动中看到他女儿才40多岁。我又补充了一句，最小的女儿。他们就说，当然是最小的女儿了，要是最大的还得了？我说是啊也很厉害了，那是很多年之前的事情了。不象现在，默多克，要几岁生就几岁生。。。

气氛开始变得有点搞笑。我就没有刚开始说的时候那么伤心了。

Fans try to stomach yet another wrenching Red Sox loss

By Jay Lindsay, Associated Press Writer, 10/17/2003

BOSTON -- They were supposed to be "victory cupcakes," decorated with a Boston Red Sox "B" and covered in red and blue sprinkles. Bill Anzivino ordered 500 Thursday to celebrate Boston's upcoming trip to the World Series.

But things went awry. First, the bakery messed up the frosting. Then, the New York Yankees messed up Boston's season with a 6-5 comeback that ended the Red Sox's 85th straight season without a title.

On Friday, Anzivino, head of food services at the Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary, was instead stuck handing out 500 mud-brown "Wait Until Next Year" cupcakes.

Fans try to stomach yet another wrenching Red Sox loss

By Jay Lindsay, Associated Press Writer, 10/17/2003

BOSTON -- They were supposed to be "victory cupcakes," decorated with a Boston Red Sox "B" and covered in red and blue sprinkles. Bill Anzivino ordered 500 Thursday to celebrate Boston's upcoming trip to the World Series.

But things went awry. First, the bakery messed up the frosting. Then, the New York Yankees messed up Boston's season with a 6-5 comeback that ended the Red Sox's 85th straight season without a title.

On Friday, Anzivino, head of food services at the Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary, was instead stuck handing out 500 mud-brown "Wait Until Next Year" cupcakes.

"Everyone's down in the dumps, everyone's exhausted, everyone's miserable," Anzivino said. "You've got to do something."

Around New England, Red Sox fans were trying to stomach another wrenching big game loss, this time in Game 7 of the American League Championship Series against the rival Yankees.

Aaron Boone hit the game winning home run and instantly took his place on the list of villains who have stood in the way of a Red Sox victory.

Bucky Dent's home run crushed the Sox hopes in 1978. Bill Buckner's fielding error cost them Game 6 of the 1986 World Series against the New York Mets. Johnny Pesky gets blamed for holding the ball when a crucial run scored in the 1946 World Series against the Cardinals.

Friday morning, rabid Red Sox fans looking for a goat were heatedly debating manager Grady Little's decision to stay with ace Pedro Martinez after he'd already thrown 100 pitches.

It all adds up to lots heartache -- and not a single World Series championship since 1918.

Joe Flaherty, 62, of Boston, said he was on the phone commiserating with a fellow fan until 2:30 a.m. He's followed the Sox for decades, and said their continued failings have pushed him toward an existentialist philosophy.

"The end of life will always be death. This team, to me reinforces that inevitability," he said, speaking in Boston's Downtown Crossing shopping district. "There will always be that last out and we will never be as happy as we could be."

Richard Johnson, curator of The Sports Museum of New England in Boston, said he did laundry and packed boxes for hours after the game because he was so stunned.

The part of him that's a Sox fan is still a kid. After a loss like Friday's, Johnson said, "there's no adult in the room that can explain it to you."

Despite the long line of hard losses, Sox fans tend to be optimistic. Rob Sirica, 28, of Cromwell, Conn., said he already had a ticket to see Game 5 of the World Series in Miami, hoping the Florida Marlins would be hosting Boston that day. After the Sox loss, those plans were scrapped.

"The Yankees didn't win, we lost the game," he said. "That's what I'm standing by. Flags should be half-mast today."

Others have learned to prepare themselves for the worst. Linda Robinson, a hot dog vendor on the Boston Common who described herself as a lifelong Red Sox fan, said she went to bed when the Sox were winning 4-0, convinced she'd wake up to hear Boston had lost.

The Red Sox tend to fold under pressure, said Robinson, 40, of Everett. Plus, the team made the mistake of painting a World Series logo on the outfield grass at Fenway Park before they'd beaten New York.

"That was an omen," she said.

Anthony Brown, 20, of Boston is too young to remember many of the past Red Sox failings. He said he'd always dismissed talk of the "Curse of the Bambino," which has supposedly doomed Boston since they sold Babe Ruth, "The Bambino."

Now, he said, "I'm starting to believe."

Ray Arruda, a 32-year-old financial adviser in Providence, R.I., clutched a baseball and stewed over yet another big-time loss that he thought should have been a win.

But all hope was not lost for Arruda.

"I'm going to Sports Authority to get a Patriots jersey," he said.
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85 years and counting

By Jimmy Golen, AP Sports Writer, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- Another celebration for the New York Yankees, another year without a championship for the Boston Red Sox.

"This was our chance to get to the World Series, and we were so close," Red Sox center fielder Johnny Damon said after the Yankees beat Boston 6-5 in 11 innings Thursday night to win the AL pennant. "I think we're always going to have this game in the back of our minds."

85 years and counting

By Jimmy Golen, AP Sports Writer, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- Another celebration for the New York Yankees, another year without a championship for the Boston Red Sox.

"This was our chance to get to the World Series, and we were so close," Red Sox center fielder Johnny Damon said after the Yankees beat Boston 6-5 in 11 innings Thursday night to win the AL pennant. "I think we're always going to have this game in the back of our minds."

A game that started out so promising disintegrated in the eighth inning when Pedro Martinez ran out of gas and the Yankees rallied from a 5-2 deficit to tie it. Aaron Boone's homer to lead off the 11th kept the Yankees' hopes for yet another World Series title alive and assured the Red Sox of an 85th year without one.

"The fans in Boston have to be sad, like we are, heartbroken, like we are," Martinez said. "But they have to be proud of us."

In another stadium on the other side of the city, 17 years ago, the Red Sox lost another chance at a championship when John McNamara took Roger Clemens out after seven innings in Game 6 of the World Series.

The Boston bullpen imploded, the New York Mets won the championship and Bill Buckner's black hightops became a part of baseball history. The Red Sox haven't been back since.

This time, a Boston manager left his ace in too long.

Martinez cruised through the first six innings before giving up Jason Giambi's solo homer with two outs in the seventh. He gave up two more singles then struck out Alfonso Soriano to end the inning.

David Ortiz hit a solo homer in the eighth to give Boston a 5-2 lead.

Boston was five outs away from returning to the Series when Derek Jeter doubled and scored on Bernie Williams' single. Manage Grady Little came out to talk to Martinez, and it seemed as if the three-time Cy Young Award winner had done his job for the day.

But Martinez said he wanted the ball, and Little gave it to him.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long, and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring in from that bullpen," Little said. "Pedro wanted to stay in there. He wanted to get the job done just as he has many times for us all season long."

Hideki Matsui hit a line drive down the right-field line for a ground-rule double that put the runners at second and third. Jorge Posada's looper landed in front of Damon as the runners came around to tie the game and Yankee Stadium erupted in cheers.

"There's no reason to blame Grady. Grady doesn't play the game, I do," Martinez said. "If you want to judge me or criticize me or curse me or whatever, I will swallow that, because I am responsible."

No one will curse at Martinez. The only curse they're worried about in Boston is the one that allegedly, absurdly haunts the franchise ever since Babe Ruth was sold to the Yankees in 1920.

New York has won 26 titles since then, and thanks to Boone's 11th-inning homer off Tim Wakefield the Yankees still have a chance this year at another. The Red Sox have not won it all since 1918.

"This was a great year for the organization," first baseman Kevin Millar said. "This was an unbelievable game, an unbelievable season. The sad thing is we lost."
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Misery has more company

Misery has more company

By Bob Ryan, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- The reward for all that fidelity will surely come in another life. There is no indication it will ever materialize in this one.

With five outs to go, it was there. It was tangible. The Red Sox were going to beat the Yankees. They were going to the World Series, and, of course, they were going to win it. The "Cowboy Up" bunch was the team of every Red Sox fan's dreams, a group capable of ignoring the history and playing the game right at the same time.

But the story never, ever changes. Whatever the formula is, the Red Sox still do not have it. Pedro Martinez couldn't hold leads of 4-0 and 5-2, and the Red Sox couldn't score against Mariano Rivera. And in the cruelest twist of fate this series could possibly have provided, Tim Wakefield, unquestionably the team's MVP in this series, threw one pitch in the bottom of the 11th and Aaron Boone hit it in the left-field seats.

Yanks 6, Sox 5, and let the crying begin.

Misery has more company

By Bob Ryan, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- The reward for all that fidelity will surely come in another life. There is no indication it will ever materialize in this one.

With five outs to go, it was there. It was tangible. The Red Sox were going to beat the Yankees. They were going to the World Series, and, of course, they were going to win it. The "Cowboy Up" bunch was the team of every Red Sox fan's dreams, a group capable of ignoring the history and playing the game right at the same time.

But the story never, ever changes. Whatever the formula is, the Red Sox still do not have it. Pedro Martinez couldn't hold leads of 4-0 and 5-2, and the Red Sox couldn't score against Mariano Rivera. And in the cruelest twist of fate this series could possibly have provided, Tim Wakefield, unquestionably the team's MVP in this series, threw one pitch in the bottom of the 11th and Aaron Boone hit it in the left-field seats.

Yanks 6, Sox 5, and let the crying begin.

Thus we have another gigantic log to toss on that Eternal Flame of Red Sox Misery. This lovable, gritty team seemed to have the Right Stuff, with a season-long run of comeback wins. They came to New York needing to win two, and they came within five precious outs of doing so. The problem is the Pedro Martinez of 2003 is not the Pedro Martinez of 1999. Check that: The problem was Grady Little thought the Pedro Martinez of 2003 is the Pedro Martinez of 1999.

He is not.

Pedro's heart is willing, but the flesh isn't what it was at his peak. His mortality was apparent as early as the seventh inning, when Jorge Posada hit one hard to center, Jason Giambi hit the second of his two home runs over the center-field fence, and Karim Garcia lined a hard single to right. He got out of the inning and had thrown 100 pitches.

Grady had a choice, and his decision was to stay with Pedro. It was a bad one. Before he could get Pedro out of the game in the eighth inning, three runs were in and the score was tied.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long in situations just like this," said Little. "He's the man we want on the mound, more than anyone in our bullpen."

Everybody's going to blame Little for everything, I'm sure, but this is never an easy decision, and there was a lot more to this game than pulling Pedro or not pulling Pedro. Baseball is a lot more complex than that.

Take, for example, the failure to capitalize on a juicy situation in the fourth. Kevin Millar led off the inning with a home run to make it 4-0. Then, with men on first and third -- on a perfectly executed hit-and-run, if you can believe that -- the Red Sox were in a position to blow the game open when Joe Torre summoned Mike Mussina from the pen for his first relief appearance of a career that has had exactly 400 starts. The Moose, who has been slammed by the New York press for coming up small in the postseason while wearing a Yankee uniform, fanned Jason Varitek and induced Johnny Damon to hit into an inning-ending 6-3 double play.

"That was the turning point for me," Torre said. "It kept us there. You feel like you're getting your brains beat out, but you look at the scoreboard and you're still at arm's length."

Mussina worked three scoreless innings. The relay team just kept coming and coming. Felix Heredia, Jeff Nelson, even David Wells. Wells was brought in to face David Ortiz and saw his first pitch, a changeup that dipped down and in, blasted over the right-field fence to make it 5-2.

The Red Sox' nightly strategy against the Yankees is always the same: Get a lead and keep Mariano Rivera out of the game. They were on their way to doing just that when Pedro imploded in the eighth, giving up a double to Derek Jeter, a single to Bernie Williams, a ground-rule double to Hideki Matsui, and, finally, a bloop double to center by Posada.

Enter Rivera, and while he wasn't untouchable, he was good enough. Before the game, Torre had been asked if he would even consider using Rivera for more than two innings and he said he doubted it very much, that he would do nothing to risk Rivera's health. So what happened? Rivera pitched a scoreless ninth, a scoreless 10th, and a scoreless 11th. File that under the heading of a manager and a closer doing what they had to do.

It was a truly great game and a truly great series, but no one in Boston wants to hear that. They would gladly have taken four dull victories, but dull was never going to be the phrase associated with any game these teams were going to play. In the 100-year history of Boston-New York American League competition, this was undoubtedly the greatest collection of ballgames. They wound up playing a major league-record 26 times, with New York winning 14, Boston winning 12, and the deciding game, for the American League pennant, lasting into the 11th inning.

"I think the Boston fans should be proud of their ball club," Torre said. "They were the toughest team we've faced in my eight years here."

The Red Sox always lose in great games. The 1975 World Series was an epic. The Bucky Dent Game was an epic. The 1986 World Series was a keeper. That's the point. The Red Sox always play in these things, but they never wind up pouring the champagne.

Seriously. Would it spoil some vast eternal plan if the Red Sox could win one?

Bob Ryan is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is ryan@globe.com.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

Father knows best? You bet your life

Father knows best? You bet your life

By Jackie MacMullan, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- I grew up with a father who was born at St. Ann's Hospital in Manhattan, and raised in Queens Village. I endured a steady diet of baseball news from the New York Post, and listened respectfully while the virtues of Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mays, and Mantle were recited to me.

But still I was a Red Sox fan. Massachusetts was my home, and each spring, I would dutifully shake hands with my father, sealing our bet: $1 to whomever's favorite baseball team went the furthest.

Father knows best? You bet your life

By Jackie MacMullan, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- I grew up with a father who was born at St. Ann's Hospital in Manhattan, and raised in Queens Village. I endured a steady diet of baseball news from the New York Post, and listened respectfully while the virtues of Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mays, and Mantle were recited to me.

But still I was a Red Sox fan. Massachusetts was my home, and each spring, I would dutifully shake hands with my father, sealing our bet: $1 to whomever's favorite baseball team went the furthest.

For as long as I can remember, when the bases were finally pulled up, and the bats put away, I grudgingly pulled the plug from the bottom of my piggy bank, and shelled out four quarters.

Last night, in the bottom of the eighth in Game 7 of the American League Championship Series, I called up Fred MacMullan in Sarasota, Fla., and warned him I'd soon be shouting out the words I had been waiting so long to say:

Hey, Dad. You owe me a buck.

What was I thinking? Haven't I learned anything by now? Blame this crushing, 6-5, Red Sox loss on me. I believed this team was different. I believed they were a team of destiny, immune from curses, a group of gutty, gritty, giddy cowboys who would make me and the rest of Red Sox Nation forget all the heartache of the past century.

I believed they were going to the World Series.

They won't be now. Aaron Boone, the baby-faced third baseman who didn't even start last night's game because he had looked so completely lost at the plate, stepped up in the 11th inning and took Tim Wakefield deep to left field. Wakefield, whose valiant performances in this series would have earned him an MVP trophy had this particular ballgame gone the other way, immediately dropped his head. He knew. He didn't even have to look.

The Yankees had won. Again.

I should have known, too. It's never over until the last pitch is thrown. I was there, after all, in 1986, sent to the bowels of Shea Stadium to record the raucous celebration of Boston's first World Series victory since 1918. The Red Sox were one strike away from accomplishing that, and I smiled politely as Red Sox personnel wheeled in bottles of champagne, and tenderly laid a World Champion Red Sox T-shirt on the back of every chair in that clubhouse. Bob Costas was there, and some others, I'm sure, and we all sat and waited.

You know the rest. The Mets won the game. The Mets won the Series. The heartbreak continued.

This year's Red Sox team refused to be responsible for past failures. They were a loose, fun-loving bunch, who pounded out hits, and picked each other up. They were smiling, all of them, in the bottom of the eighth, when I called Florida, to transfer the family bragging rights.

At the time, David Ortiz had just crushed a David Wells curveball into the right-field seats, and the Red Sox were rolling, 5-2. Even when Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter doubled with one out in the bottom of that inning, even when center fielder Bernie Williams knocked Jeter in with a single, why worry? Manager Grady Little was headed to the mound, ostensibly to tell Pedro Martinez he had pitched a gutty game, and it was time for the resurgent bullpen to close the deal.

But Little came and went, and Pedro was still holding the ball, with lefthander Alan Embree all warmed up in the bullpen, with no place to go.

Martinez wanted to finish the job -- or at least the inning -- himself. One Hideki Matsui double and one Jorge Posada broken-bat bloop, two-RBI hit later, he was holding the ball and the bag, obliterating any hopes he had of becoming the hero of this series. He also may have sealed the fate of his manager, by convincing him he could still pitch.

As my father astutely pointed out after Posada's hit tied it 5-5, and that old Yankee edge had returned to his voice, "They might fire Grady Little right after this game is over."

It almost made me check the dugout to start the ninth to make sure he was still in there.

"Pedro is our man," said Little after the game, when asked why he stuck with Martinez. "He's been in situations like that all year long. He had enough in left in his tank to get Posada."

The questions kept coming at the Boston manager, long after this game was over. He answered it as many ways as he could, before he finally said, "There's nothing we can do about it now."

He's got that right. While the Yankees are swimming in champagne, Red Sox fans will be drowning in their tears. The Evil Empire will escape the wrath of their uncompromising owner, George Steinbrenner, while your team will endure another winter of hand-wringing and second-guessing.

Me? I'm sending my dad a check in the mail. I'm too old for piggy banks, too fed up to count out the quarters. If he wants the money that badly, let him go to the bank to get it.

Jackie MacMullan is a Globe columnist. Her e-mail address is macmullan@globe.com.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

Heartbreak again

Yankees beat Red Sox, 6-5, on 11th-inning homer to capture AL pennant

By Dan Shaughnessy, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- And so a new generation of New Englanders has learned the risk of rooting for the Red Sox.

Heartbreak again
Yankees beat Red Sox, 6-5, on 11th-inning homer to capture AL pennant

By Dan Shaughnessy, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- And so a new generation of New Englanders has learned the risk of rooting for the Red Sox.

They will tease you for months. They will tell you they are different from their forebears. They will claim that what happened before has nothing to do with them. They will make you believe this really is the year.

But in the end, they will fall and sometimes they will do it in excruciating fashion. The weight of the Boston uniform is always too heavy.

Meet the new Red Sox. Same as the old Red Sox. In perhaps the most painful game in franchise history -- no small statement given the Sox' penchant for macabre moments -- the Sox last night lost the American League pennant to their century-old nemesis, the New York Yankees.

Aaron Boone's 11th-inning, first-pitch, walkoff homer off Tim Wakefield at 12:16 this morning gave the Yankees a 6-5, Game 7 victory over the Sox, putting New York in the World Series against Florida, beginning tomorrow night. Naturally, Boone is the grandson of Ray Boone, a (retired) longtime scout with the Red Sox.

Cover your eyes, Sox fans -- it gets worse. Boston led, 4-0 in the fifth and 5-2 in the eighth. Like their Cub cousins earlier this week, the Sox were five outs away with a three-run lead. Champagne was chilling.

But before you could say Calvin Schiraldi, Pedro Martinez coughed up four straight hits, three runs, and the American League pennant. Maybe this was revenge for the night Pedro said, "Wake up the Bambino. Bring him back and I'll drill him."

Fittingly, Martinez was KO'd by a bloop two-run double to center by Jorge Posada. That's the same Posada who engaged in an angry exchange with Martinez during Game 3 after Pedro hit Karim Garcia. Pedro claimed he was telling Posada that he would remember everything that was said. Now Posada has given the Boston ace a new memory. A recurring nightmare.

It won't take days, weeks, or months to find the Game 7 goat. Say hello to Sox manager Grady Little, who joins Denny Galehouse, Johnny Pesky, Bill Buckner, Mike Torrez, John McNamara, the aforementioned Schiraldi, and Bob Stanley in the Sox collection of dartboard ornaments.

Little left Martinez in the game long after it was clear the fragile ace was done.

It was surprising to see Pedro start the eighth. With one out, he surrendered a long double to Derek Jeter, then a hard single by Bernie Williams.

Grady went to the mound. Relievers were ready. Nothing.

Hideki Matsui cracked a hard double to right. Still no hook from the manager. Martinez was left to face Posada, who more than evened the score in their personal war with the bloop double to center. That tied the game and finally Little came out to get Martinez.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of that bullpen," said Little. "He had enough left in his tank to finish off Posada."

The manager said Martinez told him he wanted to stay in the game when he went out for the first visit.

Yankee manager, Joe Torre said, "Obviously, he wanted to stay in. It would be tough for any manager to say no . . . hen it's Pedro Martinez."

There was an air of inevitablilty after the fateful Yankee eighth. The Sox weren't able to do anything with Yankee closer Mariano Rivera (three innings, 48 pitches) and it was just a matter of time before someone hit a walkoff homer off the weary Wakefield.

"For three innings I was waiting to see Manny [Ramirez] turn his back and watch a ball go into the stands," said Torre. "It finally happened."

This was easily Boston's most crushing loss since the sixth game of the 1986 World Series, when the Red Sox held a two-run lead with two outs and nobody aboard in the bottom of the 10th at Shea Stadium. In Sox-Yankee lore, it certainly belongs with the 1978 playoff game in which Bucky Dent hit the three-run homer and acquired a new middle name.

The Sox had a golden chance to make it to the World Series for the first time since 1986. They had a chance to become the first team to win Games 6 and 7 at Yankee Stadium since the 1926 St. Louis Cardinals. They had a chance to win a fifth-consecutive elimination game. They had a chance to win the World Series for the first time since 1918. Maybe it was a bad idea to paint the World Series logo on the Fenway lawn Thursday afternoon.

The Sox aren't going to the World Series because Grady fell asleep at the wheel and Pedro couldn't perform like a star when it counted. So now they go home to watch the World Series on television and we wonder if CEO Larry Lucchino will bring Grady back and we wonder if Nomar Garciaparra has played his last game for the Red Sox. Hard questions in the wake of a terrible defeat.

The 2003 Red Sox were an admirable bunch. Keep them in your hearts for a while. No group of athletes can be truly prepared for the larger forces that clearly have gripped this franchise and the one in Chicago.

The Red Sox-Cubs World Series America wanted won't happen. It's Marlins and Yankees tomorrow night. In the House That Ruth Built.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

Sox's wild ride ends in the Bronx

Sox's wild ride ends in the Bronx
Yankees outlast Red Sox, 6-5, in dramatic Game 7
By Ian Browne / MLB.com

Pedro Martinez is taken out of Game 7 by manager Grady Little in the eighth inning. (Charles Krupa/AP)
# Game 7 wrapup: Yankees 6, Red Sox 5
(11 innings)

NEW YORK -- For much of the last two weeks, the Red Sox were teetering dangerously close to elimination. They came to the ballpark some five times over the last 13 days with the knowledge that a loss meant no more baseball this season.

Sox's wild ride ends in the Bronx
Yankees outlast Red Sox, 6-5, in dramatic Game 7
By Ian Browne / MLB.com

Pedro Martinez is taken out of Game 7 by manager Grady Little in the eighth inning. (Charles Krupa/AP)
# Game 7 wrapup: Yankees 6, Red Sox 5
(11 innings)

NEW YORK -- For much of the last two weeks, the Red Sox were teetering dangerously close to elimination. They came to the ballpark some five times over the last 13 days with the knowledge that a loss meant no more baseball this season.

Heading into Game 7 of this epic American League Championship Series against the Yankees, the Red Sox were 4-for-4 in those potential elimination games. And Thursday night, they were just five outs away from going 5-for-5, and getting the best reward of all: a trip to the World Series.

Instead, they were dealt a painful blow that sent their magical season to a crushing conclusion. Aaron Boone belted a leadoff homer in the bottom of the 11th, giving a classic series a classic ending, albeit a painful one for the Red Sox. The Yankees won by a score of 6-5.

Knuckleballer Tim Wakefield, who won Games 1 and 4 for the Sox, surrendered the homer to Boone.

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"It hurts. All I have to say is, 'I'm sorry,'" said Wakefield as he tried to hold back tears. "It's disappointing to come in here knowing that we're going home tomorrow. I feel like I let everyone down."

Nobody else in the Boston clubhouse shared Wakefield's sentiments. Without his masterful victories earlier in the series, it's hard to believe there ever would have been a Game 7.

"Timmy never should hold his head down," said Sox catcher Jason Varitek. "We wouldn't have this opportunity if he didn't win two games and pitch outstanding."

Wakefield pitched a scoreless 10th before surrendering the season-ending blow on the first pitch of the next inning.

"I'm just proud of these guys," Varitek said. "I'm proud to be a Boston Red Sox. We just fell short."

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With one out in the bottom of the eighth, ace Pedro Martinez couldn't hang on to a 5-2 lead. The Yankees rallied furiously for three runs to tie it up. The equalizer was a looping, two-run double by Jorge Posada.

Red Sox fans will undoubtedly second-guess Boston manager Grady Little all winter long, demanding to know why he didn't take Martinez out when he got in trouble in the eighth.

That's the way hindsight works. It's always 20-20.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," said Little. "He had enough left in his tank to finish off Posada. He made some good pitches to him, and (Posada) squeezed his ball over the infield and there's nothing we can do about it now."

Derek Jeter started the trouble in that eighth with a double to right-center. Bernie Williams followed by singling him home, cutting the lead to 5-3.

With dangerous left-handed hitter Hideki Matsui looming and lefty Alan Embree in the pen for the Sox, Little held a conference with Martinez. He opted to stick with his ace, a decision that ended up not working.

Matsui cranked a ground-rule double to right-center, making it second and third with still just one out. Posada then delivered that equalizing, two-run double, sending Martinez to his exit after 123 pitches.

Martinez had no regrets. And by no means did he want any one else to face Posada.

"He asked me if I had enough bullets in my tank to get him out and I said yes, I would never say no," said a somber Martinez. "I tried hard. I did whatever was possible to win the ballgame."

Alan Embree and Mike Timlin escaped the inning without further damage. With the bases loaded, Timlin induced Soriano into a grounder to second that took a wild hop by the mound before being snagged by Todd Walker, who flipped to Nomar Garciaparra for the force.

Walker made a defensive gem to end the ninth, diving toward the bag to get a Jeter grounder and gunning to first to force extra innings.

Mariano Rivera was simply marvelous for the Yankees, pitching three scoreless innings to earn the win.

Just like that, the wild ride was over for the Sox.

"It's something I can't really describe," Martinez said. "You had to live a whole season with this team and go out there and survive with this team, and do it day after day to understand exactly how you feel, how hurt you are."

The game started as a highly anticipated matchup between two of the great pitchers of this era, Martinez and Roger Clemens.

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The first blow was struck by the Red Sox. With one out in the top of the second, Trot Nixon hammered a 2-0 Roger Clemens offering into the bleachers in right-center field for a two-run homer.

It wasn't the first time Nixon victimized Clemens. In regular season play, the right fielder is 13-for-35 (.371) with three homers against the Rocket.

Varitek kept the pressure on Clemens in that second with a double to right. Johnny Damon followed with a grounder to third baseman Enrique Wilson that should have been the end of the inning. Instead, Wilson made a wild throw past first baseman Nick Johnson. The error allowed Varitek to score, making it 3-0.

Clemens got in trouble again in the fourth as Kevin Millar opened the inning with a first-pitch homer to left. It was Millar's first career long ball in postseason play.

While Clemens (three-plus innings, six hits, three earned runs) struggled, Martinez was masterful out of the gate. He allowed just two hits over the first four innings.

The Yankees finally got something in the fifth, when Jason Giambi, who was moved down to the seventh spot in the order, blasted a solo shot to right-center to slice the lead to 4-1.

Mike Mussina, working on two days' rest, gallantly kept the Yankees in the game. He fired three scoreless innings, allowing two hits and striking out three.

After 400 career starts (including postseason), this was the first relief appearance of Mussina's career. And it wound up being huge.

While the Yankees struggled for hits most of the night, Giambi heroically kept them close. With two outs in the bottom of the seventh, he went deep again, sending a blast just over the wall in center field to make it 4-2.

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David Ortiz allowed the Sox to breathe a little easier in the eighth, slamming a solo shot to right to bump the lead back to three. That homer was the first pitch thrown by left-hander David Wells, who came out of the bullpen with just one day of rest after his win in Game 5.

At that point, things were looking good, real good.

"We felt pretty good going into the eighth inning that we were going to win this game," Damon said. "It just didn't happen. They just happened to get one more run than we did."

And so it was that the championship drought will extend back to 1918 for at least one more year. But nobody in the Boston dressing room wanted to hear about a curse.

"You saw a home run go in the 11th inning and that was the game," said Millar. "That was the ending of the game. There was no such thing as a curse. That was a great baseball game. You saw a great baseball game with two teams competing their butts off."

Ian Browne is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Little was too late with ace in a hole

MICHAEL HOLLEY
Little was too late with ace in a hole

By Michael Holley, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- One thing the Red Sox have always had is folklore and, on a sad night in the South Bronx, their manager instantly became a part of it.

MICHAEL HOLLEY
Little was too late with ace in a hole

By Michael Holley, Globe Columnist, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK -- One thing the Red Sox have always had is folklore and, on a sad night in the South Bronx, their manager instantly became a part of it.

These days in sports, there are more and more questions about legacies, and Grady Little's legacy will be that he left a Hall of Fame pitcher in the game too long. It's awful that it had to come to this. The Sox and Yankees met 19 times in the regular season. They met seven more times in a thrilling American League Championship Series. They gave the nation an overtime classic in Game 7, going 11 innings until it was time for one side to weep.

And that's the part that makes it difficult to see clearly now. The shock and the tears. An objective version of history will call this a great game. History -- in its balanced, measured tone -- will detail the fans' pacing in between innings, a Yankee comeback and, most memorably, how a stadium with more than 56,000 people went mostly quiet when the Sox took a 4-0 lead in the top of the fourth.

But following the Sox has never been about objectivity. You love this team to exhaustion and, once in a while, you want to hear about a great playoff game that you won. Not the other guy. Especially if the other guy has a white, interlocking "NY" on his cap.

This is the unwritten contract every Sox manager has to accept and, just as important, understand. Walpole Joe Morgan accepted it and understood it. Jimy Williams accepted it and didn't quite understand it. We'll find out where Little stands soon, because he is going to be tested as long as he continues to receive mail on Yawkey Way.

No one really wants to hear about Aaron Boone being a great story. No wants to raise a glass to a man who was traded here from the Reds and came up with the biggest hit of his life. With his big brother Bret watching from the Fox booth, young Boone swung at the first Tim Wakefield pitch he saw in the 11th. He sent a knuckleball deep into the Yankee Stadium sky. A 5-5 tie was broken, New England hearts were broken, and the Yankees were headed to the World Series.

Yankees 6, Red Sox 5.

It didn't have to be this way.

It shouldn't have been this way.

Sox starter Pedro Martinez had a 4-0 lead going into the fifth and a 5-2 lead in the eighth when his manager was faced with a tough decision. Do you leave a tired Martinez in the game to pitch to Hideki Matsui? Or do you go to the bullpen?

Little stuck with Martinez, even though Matsui, a lefthander, hit him well in the infamous Game 3 at Fenway Park.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long," Little said after the loss. "And in a situation like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody else we can bring in out of that bullpen.

"He had enough in his tank to finish off [Jorge] Posada. He made some good pitches to him, squeezed his ball out over the infield, and there's nothing we can do about it now."

After Little's decision to stay with his ace, Matsui and Posada produced back-to-back doubles and the Yankees were able to turn a 5-2 deficit into a 5-all tie. Martinez came out then, but it was too late. The members of the bullpen were easy targets most of the season, but that changed in the playoffs. Alan Embree, Mike Timlin and Scott Williamson were starting to become trustworthy. They were rested, too. And not used.

This was more painful than the Sox' 1999 ALCS loss to the Yankees because Boston wasn't as good as New York then. This was difficult to accept because it was not a case of a held ball or a ball sliding through a first baseman's legs. It was not a cheap home run on a routine fly to left. This loss came down to a decision, right and wrong. The right decision would have put the Sox in the World Series for the first time in 17 years. The wrong decision left them staring out onto the Yankee Stadium grass as the team they nearly beat danced, hugged, and cried.

Martinez sat in the dugout watching it all with the gray hood of his sweatshirt pulled over his head. New England fans have watched him enough and listened to him enough to know that he can be convincing when he wants something. There is no question that he politicked with Little to stay in the game. But conservation is part of his pitching package now, more than ever. If he isn't pacing himself, someone needs to pace him. The brilliance of the man is that he can get almost anyone out, even when he is throwing in the high 80s and low 90s. There is a warning label, though, and it says this: Use caution when pitch count exceeds 100.

The pitch count was at 115.

Martinez stayed, while Embree, Timlin and Williamson watched.

This is Grady's legacy.

The folksy manager from North Carolina has never been completely embraced in New England. That's not going to change now. He is without a contract for next year, but he's still likely to return. His bosses, Larry Lucchino and John W. Henry, are extremely conscious of image. They will have a hard time justifying parting ways with a man who won 93 games his first season and 95 his second. He tells good jokes. He is one of the boys.

But he should be ready to hold on in 2004 and beyond. This is not over. John McNamara is still being questioned about his decision to remove Roger Clemens from Game 6 of the '86 Series. Still. Little's decision will be questioned and dissected and debated forever.

A man from the South is now part of Sox folklore. It shouldn't have come to this. We shouldn't be talking about yet another great game that was won by the guy in the wrong baseball cap.

Michael Holley is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is holley@globe.com.
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

Red Sox share pain like a family

10/17/2003 3:28 AM ET
Red Sox share pain like a family

Baseball Perspectives
John Schlegel

David Ortiz (foreground) and the Red Sox were feeling low after the 6-5 loss to the Yankees in Game 7 of the ALCS. (Charles Krupa)
NEW YORK -- They had tears in their eyes as they spoke about friends, not just teammates. Baseball players talk about the family inside the clubhouse all the time, but this is a team that lived it like few others in recent memory, hugging their way deep into October.

The band of brothers inside the Red Sox clubhouse was hurting as one, feeling pain they'd never felt before at the end of a baseball season like none they'd ever experienced before.

10/17/2003 3:28 AM ET
Red Sox share pain like a family

Baseball Perspectives
John Schlegel

David Ortiz (foreground) and the Red Sox were feeling low after the 6-5 loss to the Yankees in Game 7 of the ALCS. (Charles Krupa)
NEW YORK -- They had tears in their eyes as they spoke about friends, not just teammates. Baseball players talk about the family inside the clubhouse all the time, but this is a team that lived it like few others in recent memory, hugging their way deep into October.

The band of brothers inside the Red Sox clubhouse was hurting as one, feeling pain they'd never felt before at the end of a baseball season like none they'd ever experienced before.

After all they'd been through together through an amazing run in 2003, the Red Sox were one big, sad family in the visiting clubhouse at Yankee Stadium in the wee hours of Friday morning.

The din was still ringing in their ears from Aaron Boone's homer off their ALCS pitching hero, Tim Wakefield, in Game 7, and Wakefield felt the burden of one of the most dramatic endings in postseason history.

"All I have to say is I'm sorry," Wakefield said.

Sorry for what? Sorry for carrying the club to two of its three victories in the series? Sorry for one pitch out of hundreds in this series?

Wakefield makes the point and misses it at the same time.

Every single man on that team threw that pitch, just like every single man on that team was part of the victories he secured with perhaps his best two starts in a long, successful career. And every single man felt the pain of the loss, none more than the next.

That doesn't ease the pain. It just spreads it around a little bit, and it's a pain that no doubt is being felt across Red Sox Nation after coming so close to reaching the World Series, that Holy Grail that has eluded Boston so much over the decades.

"We play this game with a lot of emotion," said Wakefield, incapable of holding in the emotion himself, and understandably so. "Every guy in this clubhouse left everything they had on the field, including myself. It's disappointing to come in here knowing that we're going home tomorrow."

You almost get the feeling they'll all be pulling in the same driveway and plopping down on one big couch when they do go home for the winter.

Pedro Martinez, the superstar who very often leaves the talking to be done by his teammates, stood up to a huge media throng and professed his love for the group of men on this team -- it seems he caught the unity bug, too. In the wake of the most devastating start of his career, he felt the same pain everybody in that clubhouse felt.

"I'm really proud of my team," Martinez said. "I'm as proud as (the Yankees) might be about their team."

That camaraderie extends into the manager's office as well, and it did so under as tough a circumstance imaginable. It was Grady Little's decision to leave Martinez in the game in the fateful eighth, and that decision backfired to the tune of a three-run rally that turned the tide toward a remarkable Yankees victory.

Martinez supported his manager like a member of the family.

"There's no reason to blame Grady," Martinez said. "Grady didn't play the game. We did. I did."

Sharing the pain means sharing the blame, and there was no finger-pointing going on in this clubhouse.

Just reflection on a season that had so many opportunities to end earlier and then ended so suddenly with an 11th-inning bombshell of a homer by Boone.

"It's a very rough ending for a very remarkable season," said Red Sox president and CEO Larry Lucchino, the man who has pushed the buttons that changed the franchise so much these last couple of years.

Reversing the "Curse of the Bambino" was the goal, but that will have to wait for another year. Bringing the World Series back to Boston was the hope, and they fell five outs short.

"History will reflect that we weren't champions of the world this year," GM Theo Epstein said. "But in a way -- this might sound corny -- we accomplished something just as meaningful."

What they accomplished was turning New England into one big high school. It was like the varsity squad rode the team bus all the way to the state finals, only to get beaten by their rivals from down south.

Of course, we know these are athletes making millions for playing a child's game, but their innocence struck a chord that endeared them not only to their faithful, but to much of the rest of the baseball world.

Like the "We Are Family" Pirates of 1979, they had their song -- "Cowboy Up," so popular among the players and the fans that cowboy hats became fashionable in New England, which makes about as much sense as clam chowder in El Paso.

They had their signs of unity -- those bald heads, which probably should have been shaved at a pep rally, just for good measure.

But most of all they had each other, and this year, a year unlike any other in Boston's deep baseball history, that was a lot.

You might say it was just not quite enough, but that would be missing the point.

John Schlegel is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Blame Grady

By Eric Wilbur, Boston.com Staff, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK - There was no earthquake, no tsunami, nor cyclone ripping through the Bronx. There was no hurricane, nor implosion of earth, nor stars falling from the sky. The end of the world will have to wait another day. Armageddon, please take a number.

By Eric Wilbur, Boston.com Staff, 10/17/2003

NEW YORK - There was no earthquake, no tsunami, nor cyclone ripping through the Bronx. There was no hurricane, nor implosion of earth, nor stars falling from the sky. The end of the world will have to wait another day. Armageddon, please take a number.

The Red Sox will still linger for that chance to play for their first World Series title since 1918, 6-5 losers last night to the Yankees in Game 7 of the American League Championship Series.

Make no mistake about it, we have no idea how the bullpen, lights out in October coming into the game, with a 1.01 postseason ERA, would have fared in a disastrous eighth inning when the Yankees scored three times to knot things even. But the fact that it was not even given the chance is a question Red Sox management will have to ask themselves over the winter, because this loss lands squarely on the shoulders of Grady Little.

Pedro Martinez, masterful through seven innings, his only two mistakes being a pair of home runs from the bat of No. 7 (yes, 7) hitter Jason Giambi, labored in the eighth, and though he was approaching the 120-pitch mark, after conversing with his ace, Little decided to let him stay in there, a decision that will remain in Red Sox lore as one of the stupidest decisions ever made by a Boston manager. And that, my friends, is saying a lot.

With runners on second and third, and the Yankees down by two, Jorge Posada blooped a double off Pedro to tie the game at five, an infamous showdown that ended when Aaron Boone launched Tim Wakefield's first pitch of the 11th for a walk-off series-winning home run.

Aaron Boone! We sure hope FOX and big bro Bret are happy now.

As for Little, apparently his explanation was live with Pedro, die with Pedro, or something to that effect.

"Pedro wanted to stay in there. He wanted to get the job done just as he has many times for us all season long, and he's the man we wanted on the mound," Little said at an abbreviated post-game press conference. "Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long. In situations like that he's the one we want on that mound over anyone we can bring out of that bullpen. He had enough in his tank to finish off Posada. He made some tough pitches to him, squeezed his ball out over the infield, and there's nothing we can do about it now."

Sorry, Grady. When Game 7 is on the line, and your ace has given you all he's got, no matter how badly he wants to stay in there, "Pedro's our man" simply doesn't cut it. You say "no," go to the bullpen that got you to a Game 7 in the first place (Pedro wasn't the reason, for sure) and you see what can happen. Should Pedro have even come out for the eighth? Did Little pinch run for David Ortiz and Jason Varitek too early, losing their bats in the process, when they could have used them later? Did Red Sox Nation really need more questions to ponder?

Tim Wakefield was six outs away from quite probably being the ALCS MVP. Now he sits in Red Sox lore with Mike Torrez. Beautiful.

The FOX analyst's little brother hit a home run that will live in Red Sox and Yankees history, in different ways, of course. Yankees go for the title yet again, while the Sox go home. It's a tired story. And this ranks right up there with Bill Buckner and Bucky Dent. Worse in so many ways.

This could have been the year, hell this should have been the year, but it isn't. Again. And though there's no concrete proof to show that it would have turned out the same had Little done otherwise, it's his decision to let Pedro keep plugging away that is why the Red Sox are cleaning out their lockers today instead of hosting the (all of six years removed) Florida Marlins in Game 1 of the World Series tomorrow night.

A great, epic series? For sure. But that's no consolation for a region that has been waiting, and waiting to pop the cork in the dust encrusted champagne lying in the back of the fridge. I hate to say it, but wait 'til next year is all you can say.

It's just it is all that we ever say.

Blips on a map of an excruciating late evening-early morning in the Bronx:

The Red Sox team bus arrived at Yankee Stadium right around 4:30 p.m. with Pedro leading the pack, accompanied by a couple of guards. There was more than a littering of boos as he made his way into the players' entrance, but Sox fans were well represented, bursting out with cheers as the players made their way into the Stadium. John Burkett was recording the moment on his video camera, a process he continued, with a big smile on his face during the team's pre-game warm-ups.

This city was abuzz with talk of the big showdown dominating conversation. At the Moonlight Diner, one Yankee fan said whoever wins, it's been a great series, no matter what. At the Old Castle restaurant, bartenders were working a double shift for the sure rush that would come in the evening of folks wanting to watch the game in high-def. On the D train, New Yorkers weighed the odds of the game, and wonder if beating Pedro twice in a five-day span was too much to ask, even for their Yankees. Lucky for them, Grady helped them out.

Who is this governor genius of Illinois, who said about the now notorious Steve Bartman in Chicago, "If he ever needs a pardon, he won't get one from this governor." Is this moron serious? Can you imagine Mitt saying this? They're actually suggesting that the man may have to move to escape the wrath of Cub fans. Look, if O.J. can stay in LA, this guy should be able to live a peaceful life in Chicagoland. After all, if Moises Alou didn't react angrily as he did when Bartman came down with the ball, nobody would have ever realized how close a play it really was.

When Grady Little was asked what his wife thought of his new buzz haircut, Little got a laugh out of a room full of reporters. "She cares about me on the first and the 15th," he said. It's too bad his managing later on was just as funny.

Thank God Access Hollywood is here.

Boston's Kevin Millar on the Yankee fans chanting "***hole" when Manny Ramirez steps to the plate: "You've got to be good when 60,000 fans are chanting that."

Hanging out in front of the Red Sox dugout prior to the game, Mr. "I hope the Red Sox never win the World Series" Spike Lee.

Great at-bat by Todd Walker in the first, making Clemens throw 10 pitches before singling to right. Someone raised the question to me before the game that there has been so much talk about the Sox not wanting Walker back next season, but after his post-season performance, how could that be? Good question. He's easily been their hottest hitter, his major slump a thing of the past, and the Sox might not even be in this Game 7 if it hadn't been for him this month. Plus, he has become an intangible part of the heart and soul of the team. Winning here means something to Walker, and that's saying a lot for a guy who's only been around Boston seven months or so.

Besides, wouldn't it be nice to have the same second baseman on back-to-back Opening Days for the first time since the Electric Slide was hip?

When Pedro came out to pitch the first...well, you can imagine the reception. There were no incidents, thank goodness. But it was just jeering. Boos. Nothing more. I mean, if you had that much venom towards a player, wouldn't you think the reception would have been legendary? The New York Post doesn't even call him by name, instead, it's the Fenway Punk, or Punk for short. Put it this way, when Jeff Nelson came in to pitch in Monday's Game 4, Fenway Park pulled off a much louder and effective jeer. They didn't even start a name chanting here until Pedro got into trouble later in the contest.

You know what would be great, if the Red Sox could someday put the folks who sell "1918" merchandise out of business.

Somebody please tell the Irish Tenor it's "God Bless America," not "Stairway to Heaven."

Hey, Matthew Modine, loved you in "Bye, Bye, Love." I watched it while recovering from my lobotomy.

Apparently the rule of "No cheering in the press box" doesn't apply during a Game 7 at Yankee Stadium when the Yankees are staging a comeback. Unbelievable.

One of New York's finest on the extra-inning affair that ended past midnight. "Well, at least people are sobering up."

A knowledgeable Yankee fan on the D Train back to Manhattan: "I guess they pay all those guys to torture their fans. What's that GM's name again?" Yes, the hat was new, and there were wagon marks in back of him.

What exactly have the Patriots been doing lately?

红袜的大棒子们终于发威了

第六场在客场在大风中完胜Yankees！

前两天在论坛里走路看着天的Mets也没话说了。临走还强词夺理说是因为下雨刮大风，好象红袜打的时候就不下雨刮风似的。不知道的人还以为Yankees打的时候是逆风，红袜子们打的时候是顺风；或者Yankees打的时候是室外，换红袜打的时候就挪到室内去了。

小熊Cubs输了，马林鱼Marlins的教练第一年就带队伍进了总决赛，也算创了个纪录。小熊真冤，昨天3比0领先到最后，一个本来可以封杀的球，让芝加哥的球迷生生在半空抢走了，然后就一塌糊涂一泻千里的连输了八个。和同样近百年没拿冠军的小熊一起，那个球迷也会被载入史册。我看他也别再住在芝加哥了，说不定哪天上街就会被乱棒打死。还是搬到纽约比较好，波士顿人会排队去保护他，好让他在Yankees球场再多抢下来几个他们的球。

明天Martinez和Clemens这对老冤家又要碰面了，Mets昨天看着天的时候还说Martinez今年不会再上场了，没想到他看着天只看见了下雨刮风，没看见明天又要有Yankees的倒霉蛋挨砸了。

又输了第五场

2比4输掉了。还被春分讽刺挖苦，真是非常郁闷。

波士炖人的受虐情结

提交者 : 春分 于 北京时间 2003-10-15 05:48:40

BABE诅咒耀宗同学已经讲了，不过没讲boston人都是怎么想法
破诅咒的，估计是怕丢人。boston人民，nastiest ppl in US
有的去喜马拉雅山烧纸，有的去大河大川捞钢琴，总之千奇百怪
就不细表。

BABE诅咒is a joke.不过86年的决赛确实是heartbreaking.
当时red sox 5:3领先mets，只差最后一个strike, no 1 on
base, 70年的诅咒就可以了结乐。香宾已经开了，胜利Tshirt
开始满街乱发。千百名哈佛麻理的美女博士们已经开始脱衣服
准备大裸奔。结果the curse unfold, mets就是不死，反而
神奇的连得两分，扳平了。还不算完，千古罪人Bill Buckner
登场了，这倒霉蛋慢慢的慢慢的弯腰去接缓缓溜地滚来的棒球，
结果...球居然钻裆而过! 这一裆，真是让boston人椎心泣血
一百年的一裆。mets大翻盘，冠军。

我想这种pissed off的感觉，估计比咱们当年对卡塔尔的黑色
三分钟，还要pissed off十倍。咱那才20年，人家都等70年了
有一小孩球迷，不敢看比赛，早早睡觉了。结果他爸觉得已经赢
定的时候，把他叫起来了...bill老哥一钻档，小孩已经崩溃了
后来他说，他这辈子都不会原谅他父亲。还有一老大郁闷的半夜
出来流大，发现满街都是人，一老头老婆相互搀扶，泪眼破娑:
we just wanna see it 1 more time b4 we die together

痴心不改的球迷见得多了，boston棒球迷已经到了化境。看看
dodo和red sox这俩外国友人就知道，俩球盲，天天象小公鸡
一样斗...真正的boston棒球FANS，可以想见一斑。说白了这
就是受虐情结，SM。"Baseball Gods,你虐待我们吧，你虐待
我们越厉害，我们就越快感!"一位球迷代表发言说: 对boston
人，棒球就是生活，生活总是不如意的，人生不如意事10之89
可但是，as long as there is hope... 我们不会放弃棒球
就象我们不会放弃生活一样。

有人预测一旦red sox今年打破诅咒夺冠会怎么样呢。有的人说
boston的狂欢将使superbowl的狂欢看起来象yard sale。
有人说，棺材生意将会很好做，因为无数boston人曾说过看到
red sox夺冠，是他们此生最后愿望，一旦梦想成真，就没有
力量支撑他们活下去聊~

-------------------------

red sox 现在 1:3落后，dodo同学痛不欲生。我欲劝无从。
还有10 min 才够钟下班，再去WC蹲一个大的就perfect乐。

ZIMMER的背景情况

虽然昨天的比赛被雨水冲走

还是有很多YANKEES的球迷从纽约赶来又失望而归，这其中就有前纽约市长朱利安尼。
在今天的比赛中，SOX的表现不负重望，以3比2拿下了第四局。

下面是倔倔写的球评。写得实在是太好乐！！！

提交者 : 张耀宗 于 北京时间 2003-10-15 01:09:25
答 复 : 耀宗快写总结，我要放到我的blog上去 提交者 : Red Sox 于 北京时间 2003-10-14 11:18:27

鸳鸯蝴蝶派的最后一代掌门Wkfild用七个完美的回合再一次上演了一场“以慢制快，以短打长“的经典战例。信手点出的knuckleball总是像蝴蝶一样轻飘飘的飞临到扬基的疯狂棒林之前，然后一闪而入，令人打不到，而且愤怒。
全明星赛后提前冬眠两个月的walker又一次挥霍储藏的能量，一记闪电般的全垒打撕破了扬基As Mssna心里防线。
红袜子的三门重炮Ramirez,Ortiz和Millar保持有尊严的沉默。而伤愈复出的另一名重炮手Nixon显然还没有踩准同伴默契的步伐，三击三中一记全垒打的表现让自己从绿色背景中突兀出来。
两军交战相持不下之际，被寄予厚望的两只快枪手Noma,Mueller持续吝啬子弹。倒是候补上场的Varitek，于众目睽睽之下，背一小包，碎步赶入球场，抽棒，上马，一击定乾坤，真是XXXXXXXXX---牛比死了!

第八个回合，穿着红袜子的红袜子Timlin继续了自己的1-2-3运动。让球迷们对Bullpen的担心押后了一节。第九个回合，野球手 Wlmsn的超速快球开始刺激对手和红袜子球迷的神经。最终还是扬基Sierra的一记全垒打让所有红袜子球迷放弃了对幸运之神的归依，重回现实，并最终为这场胜利打上了Red Sox传统标记。

虽然今天比赛输了，但是我仍然坚挺Red Sox

谁让我住在波士顿，又起了个名字叫Red Sox呢。

不象某些人，虽然叫着一个队的名字，但是看哪个队好就变成哪个队的fans。。。

我对Mets和terminator2关于故意不故意的驳斥

所有的人，包括所有认为Pedro一定是故意扔那个球的人，都请胡橹胡橹
自己的脑袋。（scratching your head, as Petro said.）

那个时候扬基队二垒三垒有人，红袜子刚刚丢了一分，那个胖子是左手击
球（我虽然能到网上查到他的名字，但是不想查），作为全联盟最好的投
手，如果你懂棒球，你觉得Pedro会怎么做？

如果你不懂，我告诉你，他要让那个胖子挥棒子的时候感觉不舒服。

他怎么做呢？他要投一个坏球，投到靠近胖子的那一侧，这样再击球的时
候，胖子会因为担心球有可能打到自己这边来，有意无意的防备，避让，
这样，Pedro会把下一个球投到胖子的远端，一个他挥了棒子也打不到的
地方。

就这么简单。

什么？你说Pedro是故意扔到胖子身上的？兄弟，那是一场季后赛，一场
两个死对头不是你死就是我活的季后赛，红袜落后，垒上有两个人，再
加胖子就是三个，后面再来一个Home Run，那么比赛就基本结束，而且，
如果那样，这有可能就成为Pedro今年的最后一场比赛。你说他是故意的，
就因为他不高兴，就因为他想把那个胖子打一下然后送上一垒？

请去Red Sox的网站看一看，请也去Yankees的网站看一看，看看有没有评
球的人说Pedro是故意扔的。

Please scratch your head.

另外，我也承认我不懂棒球，最近才开始看，但Mets，我知道你懂。先不
管整个事情是谁错谁对，我上面的说的那些，今天下午你不是也和我说
过。为什么你因为要证明你文章的观点，就不顾自己也已经认识到的事
实，说，

"这一下是故意砸的,所有人都知道"，

呢？

Mets的总结及dodo的反驳

关于今天比赛打架事件

提交者 : mets 于 北京时间 2003-10-12 10:19:47

主要写给那些刚刚或准备做袜子范的

袜子和养鸡是世仇,这就不用多讲啦,主要介绍一下这场比赛的背景.

提交者 : mets 于 北京时间 2003-10-12 10:19:47

主要写给那些刚刚或准备做袜子范的

袜子和养鸡是世仇,这就不用多讲啦,主要介绍一下这场比赛的背景.

Yankees投手Roger Clemens是在Redsox成长起来的84-96效力Redsox,其间获得三个Cy Young(投手的最高奖),后来因为Sox认为他走下坡路了,把他卖到了Blue Jays.他当时就可以来Yankees,结果他在多伦多两年,那了两个Cy Young.但作为历史上最好的投手,他没有那过总冠军.为了实现冠军梦,他来到了Yankees.今年是他职业生涯的最后一年,所以今天在Fenway 的比赛也是他在Fenway的最后一场比赛.(BTW,他会以红袜子球员进入名人堂,尽管他希望做为养鸡加入)

Sox投手Pedro Martinez是现在最好的投手.他在NL和AL都那过Cy Young.

两个投手都砸过很多人(AL投手不打击,所以不担心被砸).Yankees vs. Sox积怨更深.通常故意砸人往往是在刚刚被打出HR,垒上无人时泄私愤,被砸的一方往往砸对方的打击手报复.

讲讲今天吧.

第四局,Sox2:1领先,Matui的安打跳出场外,按规则所有垒上的前进二垒.Yankees领先3:2,二三垒有人,一垒无人.Pedro 下一偷砸了Garcia. (FACT:这一下是故意砸的,所有人都知道).Garcia 很气愤,Pedro还嘴硬,示意Yankees捕手Pasada下回要砸他的头.裁判警告双方.
下一个,Soriano打成双杀,Garcia在跑向二垒时故意装到Walker. (FACT:Garcia报复).
第五局,裁判提醒Clemens不要报复(这种情况下砸人回被罚出).Clemens投向Ramirez的球偏内很高,Ramirez早早躲开, 也没看清就人为Clemens 在报复,要找Clemens打架,Clemens也不示弱,两队球员都冲到场内.(FACT:Clemens没砸Ramirez).

***********the most important part********
养鸡的替补球员教练Don Zimmer冲向Pedro,要打Pedro,Pedro用双手按住Zimmer的头,把他仍倒在地.
(FACT:Zimmer攻击Pedro,Pedro还手了)
*** Zimmer 已经72岁了,完全没有攻击和还手能力.
*** Zimmer 曾被投手砸到过头部,险些送命.昏迷几天,住圆几个礼拜
*** Zimmer 曾是Sox的经理(相当与主教练)

所以不关怎样,Pedro打了72岁的老人.

后来因为比赛很接近,有对Clemens很重要,Yankees没有得到机会报复,但在以后的几场中肯定会有袜子被砸的

第九巨牛棚里发生的就是小插曲了.

这种道德评判真是无聊死了
提交者 : dodo 于 北京时间 2003-10-12 12:39:13
答 复 : 关于今天比赛打架事件 提交者 : mets 于 北京时间 2003-10-12 10:19:47

脱离了比赛本身，虽然这是由于比赛引起的。

但我要说的是，我们和倔倔在这场争斗发生前恰好在讨论
球碰到人要怎么办的问题。事实上在比赛的过程中不停的有
人在躲飞到身体一侧的球，双方都躲过。如果被球碰到，会
被保送一垒。这相当于一支安全的一垒安打了，但为什么大
家都会躲，而不是迎上去来争取一支安打呢。我们想了半
天，结论是人的本能驱使人在那一瞬间产生的自我保护，而
且通过正常打击才能够赢得本垒打的机会。打过棒球的人可
能都有经验，被球打在身上是什么感觉。你看到回放的历史
镜头就知道那有多么疼了。但我们一致认为PEDRO的球是打
在球棒上才弹跳的那么高了。但对于PEDRO是不是故意砸
人，我们都没有结论，你一定要这么认为，我也没有办法说
服你喔！

再说你的most important part。你一定可以从反复重放的
电视画面上看到是ZIMMER主动攻击在前，不管他自己是否意
识到自己年届高龄但他攻击的意图十分明显，我不能说他是
在依老卖老，但他要是不先挑衅，我不相信PETRO会动手把
他翻倒在地，特别是他已经72岁。BTW他那张脸真像卡通里
面的家伙。按照你的理论，如果ZIMMER只有27岁，他被
PEDRO胖揍才是理所当然吗？我非常同意，如果ZIMMER只有
27岁，PEDRO当然不能在主场被这样的攻击吓倒而任人宰
割，因此还手是理所当然的。

所以我认为，对于PEDRO来说，这不是年龄的问题。

老人当然应该是被尊重的，但他既然知道自己不具备攻击的
能力为什么还要主动挑衅呢。难道错都在PEDRO吗？YANKEES
的队员又表现得如何？

你就因为这个就shame on整个红袜的FANS，而且立刻就改投
YANKEES门下，这也太夸张了吧。

一个真正的FAN不是一味包庇自己的偶像，更不是今天谁强
大就FAN谁，而是对偶像有积极的态度和持续不断，任风吹
雨打不动摇的热情，对于REDSOX的FANS更是如此，要不然就
不会有个一个世纪以来的理解与狂热。能看出来你从来就没
有真正喜欢过REDSOX，但对于我来说，或许之前没有，但之
后，对于这个命运多舛的队伍，我决定寄予深情。

我们大家明天去CAPE COD，你也来吧。: )

现在是星期六的凌晨了

到目前为止，红袜子和Yankees在纽约的客场两场打成了平局，今天的下午要在著名的亲爱的Fenway Park再次决战。Pedro Martinez的主场，一定不会让大家失望的。回家路上听收音机，说电话订票早已经打爆了棚，根本没人打的进去，网上订票的同学都被请进Waiting Room，每15秒刷新一次，很多人刷了几百次了。然后传来的消息是票已经sold out。再然后黄牛票被炒到一千块钱。。。

今年的Red Sox，有历史最强的9个棒子，有全联盟最好的投手，有着正在走下坡路的老对手Yankees，还有着同样一百年没得冠军的倒霉蛋大热门Cubs。

17年等来的机会，一百年的诅咒，Red Sox，Magic，会发生吗？

连顽固不化的春分，看了Sox在86年的悲壮，也无法不为之动容。亲爱的倔倔，如果还能看HBO，一定要录下那个纪录片。

Yankee SUCKS!

让我们翘首以盼。

倔倔呕心沥血精雕细刻翻译的班比诺诅咒，真NB啊

从1901年开始,刚组建的AL开始了总共140场常规赛的新赛制.在那时候,波士顿男子棒球队由于太牛笔,所以又被人们亲切的称做"AMERICANS".后来为了避免树大招风,球队根据自己的着装特点,决定叫自己"红袜子".

从1901年到1918年,红袜子5次进入全联盟总冠军的决赛,5次夺冠.其中1914年的时候,球队老板Joe Lannin从当时还在小联盟里扑腾的巴尔地莫奥类奥队买进了Ernie Shore, Ben Egan和一个年轻的投手George Herman Ruth. George Ruth又被人叫做"BABE"和"班比诺".

1915和1916年,班比诺分别为波士顿赢得了15场和23场胜利,波士顿队也因此连续两年获得了最终的总冠军.其中在1916年10月9日的决赛中,班比诺创造了一个人投14节完成比赛的记录.(现在的投手一般能投在6节左右).班比诺也因此被认为是有史以来最好成绩的左手投手(注意,这里没有"之一")

1917年,球队被卖给Harry Harrison Frazee,由于第一次世界大战的爆发,一些球员参战,队里缺人.于是班比诺就开始不投球的时候抡棒子击球.班比诺虽然只抡了95场比赛,但打出了全联盟最多的全垒打!真是老母牛到了更年期---NB死了.

1919年,班比诺和球队签了新合同.在当时顶级球员可以拿1万5年薪的情况下,班比诺只签到了1万美刀的年薪,很不高兴.而且班比诺越来越觉的抡棒子比投球更来劲.班比诺在当年一共抡出了29个全垒打,比当时的任何一支大联盟球队的总和还多,因此班比诺不想投球了.由于和老板合不来,班比诺在1920年被卖到了纽约的洋基男子棒球队.结果当年班比诺凿出了54个全垒打,全年总共吸引了超过一百二十多万的球迷(人次),这都在棒球史上创了记录.洋基队也因此赚了足够多的钱,修建了属于自己的新体育场--在此之前他一直和纽约的另一支球队METS搭伙.洋基的新体育场一直使用到现在,体育场里立着一块碑,上面写着"The House That Ruth Built" RUTH就是班比诺的本名.

班比诺后来又创造了一系列的NB记录,这里就不一一细表了.在1919年班比诺离开波士顿之前,"红袜子"一共拿了5次冠军,洋基0次.而在此后漫长的八十三年里,洋基批里扑碌的拿了26次冠军,哈雷慧星前后脚的回来过两次,而波士顿的红袜子却连一次冠军都没有拿过.

不知道班比诺在离开波士顿的时候说了些什么,但这就是著名的"班比诺诅咒".

Mets看了阳关三叠的帖子，说：

星期一第5场
提交者 : 阳关三叠 于 北京时间 2003-10-09 10:18:39
答 复 : 应该不会吧 提交者 : mets 于 北京时间 2003-10-09 10:11:44

第9局我绝望了都， 但是D-LOWE那两个TWO SEAM BANANA BENDER， 简直是来自地狱的SINKER， SEASON SAVER，完全不是两年前被YANKS打得满地找牙的那个YOUNG CLOSER。
今年RED SOX 1/4的胜利来自最后一局， 跟往年大不一样呵。

Mets看了阳关三叠的帖子，说：

写得真好，写得比dodo转的旧贴子那种华而不实好多了。（！！！）

把dodo气的吐血。。。

dodo早在99年写的球评，实在太感动了。。。

Jones的对着英俊的公爵Hernandez一记失败的直插球，挥出
了MLB今年world series的勇士真正战斧般的一击，小小银球
画着优美的弧线，滑向了观众席。。。

这是Atlanta勇士在主场世界总冠军的争夺战的第一场中，击
出的唯一一支安打。这支阳春全垒打，让这位3B英雄孤独的跑
回本垒。勇士的同伴们拍着Chipper的头，仿佛在拍打着握在
手中的即将到来的胜利。公爵也低头沉思着，琢磨着为什么
本来擅长的变化下坠球，本应该直直落下在本垒捕手面前却
终于没有掉下去。唯一的一次失误，给了勇士队宝贵的一分，
最终国联的冠军没有在高傲的yankee们面前颜面扫地。公爵
事后说：我每一球都投得很好，，控球好极了，我知道队友
一定会得分，只得一分是无法赢得比赛的。

这位从古巴坐着渔船来到美国的30岁的帅哥在信心满满的说
着这番话的时候，不知道是不是张大了嘴，用着纽约口音的
的英语。先他一步偷渡来美国的弟弟已经加入了美国籍。然
而，这位绰号公爵的小伙子似乎只想一心一意做一个美国第
一的投手。

队友也对他寄望沉沉。hernandez生涯季候赛六场就先发赢得
5场胜役，防御率只有1.02。在季候赛中大放异彩。今年的
演出依旧抢眼，每次出场都让队友充满信心。

然而hernandez过去对勇士的两场比赛中，防御率却高达9.34.
今年十月起，却脱胎换骨，昨天对勇士的比赛中防御率只有
1.29。

王牌投手，胜利投手的桂冠纷纷加在hernandez的头上。可是
公爵却一如既往的嚼着口香糖，在投球出手的刹那，依旧高
高的把左膝触到左肩，依然在捕手的暗号前微微的蹙着眉，
依然奋不顾身的倒地接杀。。。

天赋异禀。最优秀的队伍中最优秀的SP球员在本赛季最后的
将变成一颗真正闪闪的红星。

在接下来的五场赛事中，来，让我们看看古巴公爵是怎么为
傲慢的纽约美国佬赢得这个赛季的世界总冠军。

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为什么没有人关心RedSox呢?

今天终于打败了奥克兰A队，最后一投的时候三个垒上
都有人，简直太紧张了。比赛结束后马上楼底下就有人
撒欢乱叫。作为一个棒球传统城市的代表，我兴奋异常，
同时也意识到有责任为广大足球迷棒球盲进行一下初步
的普及。

现在请张耀宗，倔倔，dodo还有Mets进行进一步的介绍。

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Red Sox

终于赢了一场，真不容易啊！

看来拿冠军是没什么戏了。。。。

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原来猛小蛇也认识仙娲

仙娲是我的大学同学，同班的。女生。
这要说起来，可真是无人不知，每个人说起来她都会各自有一番感慨吧。
小蛇说，大学四年，没人看过她的真面目，每天躲在蚊帐里面化妆。而
我听到的版本是每天早上五点在水房里化妆直到熄灯。小蛇说仙娲眼睛
小，一张大白脸。而我还觉得仙娲很漂亮。我相信我们班的很多人也会
觉得仙娲很漂亮吧。

大学期间仙娲有个男朋友，也是我们班的。前几天刚知道，来了我们这
里，我还没有见到。小蛇说记得他被折磨得很瘦，满脸青春豆。我怎么
一点印象都没有呢？

要找时间和老同学聚聚。聚的时候提提他当仙娲生活委员的往事，大家
定会西虚一番。时间匆匆过。

国庆节到了

被很多人问候国庆节快乐。

我原来以为只有新年快乐新婚快乐，没想到国庆节也要互相问候。
中华民族真不愧是礼仪之邦啊。